tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354124262889962219.post775221680578670390..comments2023-12-19T03:34:19.540+10:30Comments on 15mm Madness: Cavalry Brigade Henkel - Jena 1806Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10833908552095803861noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354124262889962219.post-23027268244972974012011-12-21T16:11:36.046+10:302011-12-21T16:11:36.046+10:30Steve,
Now I see the problem - Kraft #11 is a *Pr...Steve,<br /><br />Now I see the problem - Kraft #11 is a *Prussian* DR, rather than a Saxon one. I suggest you rename the unit depicted the Prinz Johann regt (either Chevau-Leger or Dragoons; the Saxons were pretty loosey-goosey about terminology for their non Heavy Cavalry regts, it seems), which they are pretty much correctly painted for. <br /><br />The Prussian DR#11 would then have the usual light Blue coats for Prussian Dragoons. Knoetel gives DR #11 "zitrongelb" (lemon yellow) facings w/ white metal buttons in 1806 (pretty cool combo!), DR #12 has black facings and white buttons.Gonsalvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16531623280789478092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354124262889962219.post-55041317742430766472011-12-20T17:04:08.678+10:302011-12-20T17:04:08.678+10:30Great answer !! I have to run now, but Ill get ba...Great answer !! I have to run now, but Ill get back with more detail soon.<br /><br /><br />Krafft Dragoons, Got it here :<br /><br />http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/Prussia/cavalry/c_prussiandragoons.html<br /><br />"Dragoon Regiment Nr. 11<br /><br />Assigned to Generalmajor Graf Henckel von Donnersmarck’s brigade of Hohenlohe’s Prussian-Saxon army, Dragoon Regiment ‘Krafft’ Nr. 11 later surrendered at Prenzlau.<br /><br />20.05.1789: Tschirschky, Generalmajor Karl-Wilhelm von [1]<br />05.11.1793: Voss, Oberst [later Generalleutnant] Ludwig-Ernst von (1734-1811)<br />19.08.1806: Krafft, Generalmajor [later Generalleutnant] August-Friedrich-Erdmann von (1748-1822)<br />"<br /><br />I think the 11th have black facings. Real interesting info on the plumage though !<br /><br />Thanks for such a detailed followup - good stuff !Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10833908552095803861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7354124262889962219.post-50825881732859551692011-12-20T16:04:23.240+10:302011-12-20T16:04:23.240+10:30Hi Steve!
First, I think these are great looking ...Hi Steve!<br /><br />First, I think these are great looking figures, well painted, and I love the red coats of the Saxon Dragoons/Chevau-Legers. Excellent job with the dappling of the greys, especially!<br /><br />I have 3 sources for the Saxons - Knoetel, the Osprey by von Pivka, and Nafziger "Poles and Saxons of the Napoleonic Wars" (four if you count Funken, but they don't illustrate any pre 1810 uniforms). I couldn't find the Kraft Dragoons listed anywhere, and Nafziger includes a rather complicated table delineating the various evolution of the Saxon Cavalry regiments from 1763 to 1815. Let us assume that the regiment had black facings; that would make it the Prinz Johann regiment from 1804 on according to all the above (maybe Kraft was the acting colonel?).<br /><br />The Osprey confirms reversed colors for the trumpeters in 1806, which I found surprising as the Saxon army of this time was closely modeled after the Prussians, where such frippery was frowned upon, LOL.It also confirms white plumes for the men, red for the trumpeters (typical of German/Prussian practice), and NCO plumes white tipped black, officers white with a black base (again, like the Prussians of the time. Both Nafziger and the Osprey indicate facing colored shabraques with lace and cipher in ? button color for LC/Dragoons, and specific regimental patterns for the HC (covered in both books, and very snazzy!).<br /><br />Having said that, the Osprey illustrates an NCO of the Prinz Clemens Chevau-Lagers in 1806, which should therefore have a light green shabraque, but instead - it is red like yours! Yikes!<br /><br />As for the standards, Keith Over has all the Saxon flags pretty well detailed, and includes the info necessary for the Prinz Johann flag. I'd be happy to scan in the information for you and send it along for reference. <br /><br />It is amazing how difficult it can be to answer seemingly basic questions definitively... and we have it great compared to 50 years ago when the hobby was in its infancy!<br /><br />Have to push for that visit to Dresden! :-)Gonsalvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16531623280789478092noreply@blogger.com